But I wasn't implying either is clean, just that they're willing to change how they work, and they'll need to reclaim carbon somehow for the Mars missions at the least. (The soil in Mars has the oxygen frozen in it?)
Their future plans include a carbon-capture system (which apparently they've already been working on?) so that the carbon that does get used in engines comes out of the atmosphere, so there's 0 net gain or less in atmospheric carbon.
They're forced to do this on Mars anyway since there's no way to dig carbon out of the ground there.
@rugk a bit -- it's kind of a blend. like the toggle switches aren't actually in Mac desktop OS, only iOS.
Menus are de-emphasized. Some other stuff.
It gets points for easy installation and working out of the box.
@codesections What about the reverse argument -- getting billed for the downtime on the SLA
@raelzero hey if I'm gonna be mean I'm gonna do it thoroughly
@raelzero I would get along really badly with myself
@cassidyjames Maybe that's just me. But I've pointed this out to some of my friends in the past and they've said "ah yeah me too". I can gather a group of people if you don't believe me!
The switches also take up more space and are harder to align in forms. Also, in forms, they have a on-the-side label instead of a checkbox-specific label, so you can't click the label to toggle them.
At least you can actually drag the toggles in elementaryOS. So you don't get a full failing grade from me :P
@cassidyjames I'm not against having more widget types. The problem is that these horizontal toggle switches are ambiguous with their on/off state unless you're able to tell easily by color.
I mean, I've been seeing them for 10 years at this point and I still do double-takes whenever I see one on its own in a UI... is it on or off in its current state?
@cassidyjames Oh, are the toggle switches a GTK thing? Actually I had no idea, I haven't used GTK in forever.
@cassidyjames Toggle switches probably need to be flipped in RTL languages:
@cassidyjames Well, my point was more that there is plenty of precedent for having checkboxes apply immediately without an apply button. In my personal experience I think it's more like 50/50 rather than overwhelmingly Apply-based.
(Apply is very common in first-party Microsoft software that isn't part of the OS, like with Office, but is less common in Windows OS stuff itself.)
Check boxes in Mac System 7 preferences (1991):
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