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an important report has just been published by my friend emmi: The Decentralized Web of Hate

"Fascists (and other bad actors) are [...] hosting manifestos resiliently, raising money anonymously, communicating securely to organize attacks, sharing weapons plans, and networking to build out their numbers."

"We cannot abandon p2p technology but we also can't ignore the risks. The only way out is through."

thread
twitter.com/emmibevensee/statu
site
rebelliousdata.com/p2p
pdf
rebelliousdata.com/wp-content/

as emmi likes to say
only networks can defeat networks

@cblgh read the draft of this a couple of weeks ago and it was excellent

reminded me of @shibacomputer's essay

@aadil @shibacomputer i see both of those articles as entries into the same anthology, if that analogy makes sense

@cblgh As someone working on decentralised p2p tech, this is fucking terrifying to me

@spacekookie i definitely had a similar reaction, when first reading cade's article (newdesigncongress.org/en/pub/t)

some caveats though:
* this fact can be used as a lens through which design decisions can be evaluated & questioned
* if you think it's terrifying: you are in a good spot to make better decisions than a person with a laissez faire / tech-is-neutral attitude

@cblgh Well the big problem I see is no real way to prevent these things from happening. I mean, granted there's tech that I think shouldn't be built (like append-only stores, what a colossally shitty idea). But I don't think putting "no fascists" in a license will keep anyone from using it who is a fascist, and building censorship tools into the base protocols will just backfire to governments using this against revolutionaries

@cblgh Like...tech isn't neutral, and I'm also not saying I won't do anything. But just being aware of the issues doesn't really do that much to get around them. Because the solutions are _really_ really hard

@spacekookie @cblgh Personally my attitude tends to be:

Don't worry about the hate getting hosted. Worry about it getting shared!

Search & discovery must be curated, I have no patience for anyone who's excited for peer-to-peer unmanaged search like Yacy.

@alcinnz I agree with you in this matter. At least for some federated standards we have both server/provider-level and client-level moderation/block/blacklist techniques.

For the first level, there are some users which are still skeptical to the motivations of each block, for whom I recommend to demand clear explanation from the provider or consider switching.

@spacekookie @cblgh

@spacekookie @cblgh

granted there’s tech that I think shouldn’t be built (like append-only stores, what a colossally shitty idea).

And so exploitable!

putting “no fascists” in a license

https://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/456

building censorship tools into the base protocols will just backfire to governments using this against revolutionaries

No, no it’s the perfect plan. We’ll alter our protocols to enable authoritarians to control us against our will, and that will stop the authoritarians from… wait shit

@cy We all just have to turn into tankies and lick our own boots, then everybody is happy ... maybe

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