When we met, @nomand and I discussed the character of Ultimate Truth. I explained that all I had found was a suite of conflicting machines (initially built by evolution, then extended by academia). Nomand described a kind of lurking threat, a great thing that will inevitably eventually destroy us if we cannot rise to apprehend it. I am convinced. It will kill us no matter what, but the more we can know about it the longer we will live.
@nomand (It's also just pragmatic, it is very easy for a human to find fascination in lurking threats, so if we imagine nature this way, we will no longer be able to retreat from any uncomfortable metaphysical truths! :D)
@faun find the others.
@nomand The other threatening metaphysical principles? I think I have most of them! There's the doomsday argument (our youth is unlikely life's future contains more life). There's bostrom's black ball (discovering technology that inevitably kills us). There's the orthogonality thesis (kindness and competence don't always come together), Omohundro's instrumental drives (living things tend to mutate into conquerors). We shouldn't forget entropy! (energy is finite, everything breaks)
@rek @nomand If you do, feel free to ask for more characterisation, but also @neauoire probably knows all of these well enough (@neauoire , omohundro drives thing is just referring to how an agent will always pursue money and compute and safety, almost regardless of what its core values are. It proposes that they'll mutate until those things are *all* they pursue, because anything that fails to will be outcompeted by the ones that do.)
@stephen Yeah I'd get into it there, that's what that channel's for.
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