Wow okay apparently more than one cellular agriculture company has launched or is ready to launch once the regulations clear.
This is actually really moving to me.. This will make such a huge impact.
@faun I find this whole exercise kind of strange since meat is generally not good for our health beyond the b12 requirement
@dualhammers I think it's important to focus on approaches that may work in light of the seemingly insoluble depravity of humanity.
@carcinopithecus Why did it seem like it was imminent all your life. I'm pretty sure I only started hearing about it like 5 years ago.
We used to talk about the concept of meat that grows without a brain when we were kids, but it didn't feel imminent then.
@dualhammers @faun People refused to alter their behavior for the good of themselves and others during the pandemic, even when the ask was just "stay home for a few weeks." Enough people are not going to give up animal products because it's the ethical thing to do. If the mountain won't come to Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the mountain.
@bee @faun My immediate thought is how the US dietary guidelines are a compromise between the science on what is actually healthy for us and what people think is "possible" to convince people to do. The unintended side-effect is plenty of people think following the guidelines is "good enough" because an expert told them to do it, and then are surprised when they get sicker.
My concern here is similar
@bee @faun If people are sold the idea that (and they will be since it is a profit-making endeavor) that cultured meat is better for the world (and maybe even better for them)? It may lead to MORE consumption not less. I assume cultured meat creates (or will create) less co2 per gram of meat, but then I have more questions.
Is that now? Or is it "hopefully in the future?" like crypto
Will it lead to a net gain in co2 if consumption goes up?
Will people be misled into thinking it is healthier?
Your argument about the pandemic is not unfounded, but I think there is complexity there as well, and it isn't as simple as "humans are depraved." That's very Hume inspired thinking, which is definitely at the bedrock of Capitalism so it's unsurprising.
@bee @faun But I wonder what the behavior of US Citizens would have been if they, on the whole, believed their government would take care of them and trusted the healthcare system? What if those in power hadn't spent the last 60+ years destroying people's faith in the government and bankrupting them via for-profit healthcare?
I have an hunch people would have had more faith in authority figures who represent those systems
@dualhammers @bee I wish I knew anything about the process's inputs, how the nutrient solutions are made, what they are made of, but this is probably proprietary (which lends support to the position Ezra Klein promoted on a recent 80K podcast (https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/ezra-klein-journalism-most-important-topics/#animal-rights-002639); more of this stuff needs to be open sourced. Maybe EA should be donating to DIY open source cell ag. Maybe my chapter should do a session on this.)
Problem is that a lot of ag in the US is directly subsidized to keep the floor from falling out. We already produce so much food a bunch of it doesn't actually make sense to produce economically.
Like the CEO of Just said in the video, they're working on driving down the cost of the nutrient substrate now. Once those supply lines are forged and matured, I could totally see this being scaled down for consumers. If that happens, it's only a matter of time until it's open source, right?
Annie's is owned by General Mills. Ben and Jerry's is Unilever. Dr Bronner's will, I assume, be bought up at some point.
But I'm the anti-capitalist in this conversation, so I'll keep my opinions to myself on that one.
Once we've broken our addiction to industrialized animal ag, then we can start fine tuning the nutrition. We have other options available now for ideal nourishment. This is about aggressive resource management, disaster aversion, and ending atrocities against living things.
My guess is in 40 years we will be talking about talking about breaking our addiction to industrialized cultured ag, and whether we're doing that in bunkers or in archeologists or fema camps will probably indicate how quick we were with this and other compromise solutions.
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