I've been learning SwiftUI for the last few months and I feel… guilty about it. This framework is very limited to Apple's ecosystem, and I don't like the direction the company is going. I still find a joy when using some of their products, and especially when using software made by other small developers which runs only on Apple (like Things3)


I started this journey because I wanted to learn declarative UI programming and build a few native apps for myself. But the further I go, the more concerned I get. Maybe I should stop spenging my time on it?

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@gleb each hour spent developing for Apple devices is an hour supporting the battle against the right to repair.

I'm sure you could find similar UI paradigms elsewhere?

@neauoire Flutter is similar, but I am not a fan of Google either. And I doubt their phones are easier to repair.

It would be great if there was an accessible UI framework for building native applications for pocket and desktop computers.

@neauoire I remember reading about it on Wikipedia a while ago.
I will read more, maybe it can solve my problems and keep my mind in peace 😅.
Thank you very much 🙏

@gleb good luck! Rekka and I went down that road a couple of months ago looking for "what comes after Electron", and we found nothing. But maybe the landscape has changed, in any case, I hope you find something that works for you :)

@neauoire thank you! It has to change at some point, there is a limit for how long bloatware can keep bloating. Or at least I hope there is one. Have you studied Haxe during your “what comes after Electron” research?

@gleb yup :) It wasn't a good candidate for us, but it seemed well rounded and a mature graphical devkit for multiplatform applications development. The community is very active.

@neauoire this is nice to hear, I will definitely give it a try on holidays :)

@gleb @neauoire android isnt only for google devices - i use android and flutter apps on a repairable device ;)
@gleb @neauoire plus, the pixels got what, a 6 on repairability?

@eris @eris @neauoire maybe I was wrong about pixels, that statement was just an assumption. In any case, one vendor is better in privacy, another in repairability. I will probably keep my 4 years old iPhone as long as I can. By the time I can't fix it, better Linux-based smartphones may already be available.

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