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this turned out to be one of the best changes i could have made. neck pain and stretched-out feeling pretty much evaporated as soon as i switched to a shorter stem.

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@glyph should changes mine too. I always feel over extended after a while. How did you decide the new length?

@rholb

i didn't have a very scientific way of deciding. i moved my saddle forward on the rails about 1 cm and still felt stretched out so i went down from 100 mm stem to 70 mm.

handlebar type is also something to take into consideration.

@glyph yhea that's true, thanks I'll check out my options

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