Do you remember when Firefox had a builtin RSS reader, webpages had a subscribe button..
I miss those days.
@neauoire we all do
@neauoire very much miss those days.
@neauoire everything went south after geocities.
@neauoire this was upsetting me recently so I tried to find an extension to bring RSS features back. Brief does pretty good job: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/brief/
@neauoire nowadays even rss readers are a dying breed :(
I was trying to get something that will work both on my PC and my phone (and sync), and outside of OldReader (and syncing it with a third party app on the phone), everything is either invasive or bloated.
The day google killed it's rss reader, was the day I started thinking that google might not be this force for good I thought it was.
@flab Thanks, will investigate.
Can't really setup a server now (the apartment internet / router is super restrictive and I have no access to it :/) but it will be good to know for the future.
@flab well, last time I had my own server was in like early 2000s ;) I wouldn't mind having my own little server somewhere down the line.
Could you recommend me some intro-level reading to VPNs?
@neauoire Remember, when Firefox had an FTP client built in? Remember, when Firefox would speak Gopher? Remember the time, people actually wante firefox PlugIns to be able to implement their own protocols?
@waweic I don't remember that it ever had a gopher client, damn. That was before my time, but it sounds great.
@neauoire To be honest, I don't remember either, but I am always utterly frustrated when I read old bugzilla posts
SeaMonkey (based on Firefox) has an RSS reader. It also has a lot of other stuff too, that you may not want.
And then there's waterfox that can still use the old plugins.
And then there's .....
@neauoire It did??? Gosh I want that
@dualhammers yeah, until 2 years ago about. It was pretty nice, you'd go on a site it would say "Subscribe" at the top if the site had a feed.
@neauoire :( Why get rid of that?
@dualhammers well.. sorry to be the one to say this but..
@neauoire Yeah, I have been missing this because I think it would find unlisted feeds.
You can get that back with various extensions, e.g:
@kete Hmm, I think all of those licenses would qualify as "free software licenses".
But yeah, the first one is cool, because it's a "Recommended Add-on", meaning Mozilla does human code reviews to ensure it's safe and works well.
The other two are good, because I think, they only offer that button, nothing more.
@friend Ok, in that case, the 2nd one looks the most minimal (and is free software).
@neauoire Yeah I started using an RSS reader again recently and it's pretty bad having to hunt for RSS links now
You can get basically that feature set back with: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/livemarks/
I honestly think ActivityPub is the better solution. I never got warm with rss.
And then here's the piece about it and why it exists: http://interconnected.org/home/2020/08/12/introducing_aboutfeeds
Doesn't solve the part where you used to subscribe in your browser, but anything in the right direction is positive to me.
@neauoire we need to bring back rss i dont wanna sign up for some dingus site just to subscribe to a grand total of 1 (one) guy
@neauoire What we need to do plain and simple is to have a non-corrupt organization for development. It's so sad to see that Firefox is now for profit and not for the people. I feel ever more sad as their advertising/marketing propaganda touts the opposite, while in fact they cripple the freedom and keep adding toxic and useless features😪
@neauoire I've used Firefox since the very first alpha/testing versions (and the browser package was like 5MB back then). It was a lot quicker and smaller than the heavyweight Mozilla/Netscape suite that included among other things a client for email and newsgroups. The effort to get Firefox 'usable' was pretty long. When 1.0 was out (much later) my personal opinion was that the browser was becoming way too slow and heavy again. Now it is hopeless to even count the iterations ...
@neauoire last year after writing up his experience customizing Firefox <http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/exercising-software-freedom-on-firefox/>, @JordiGH wondered:
"since apparently the only changes I made are in omni.ja, could I just save that file and keep it around" <https://lobste.rs/s/a3zbp0/exercising_software_freedom_on_firefox#c_x3kq6n>
Food for thought.
It's one those things that are easier said than done in practice, but in theory a person should be able to grab Firefox 1.5's JARs and run them "on" up-to-date Firefox binaries...
@neauoire that kind of user control over upgrade paths was baked in to the original intent of Mozilla's decision to adopt the component architecture it did.
Take a look at the way that Zotero is built:
@colby I tried building Firefox once but I wasn't able to, it's slightly outside of my competences at the moment.
@neauoire yeah, that was a subject of one of the lobste.rs subthreads on that topic: Mozilla has made the Firefox build process way more cumbersome than it needs to be. ("The development iteration cycle for Firefox is pretty shameful.")
Zotero's approach more closely resembles how it should be. When I saw what the build scripts were doing, I almost started laughing. Granted, its incarnation is fragile hack that puts them in a position of being subject to Mozilla's goofy whims.
@neauoire there are many RSS add-ons for Firefox that bring back that kind of functionality. I am working on one of them myself even though it is not yet ready.
@neauoire Is kindda hidden, but rss still works for most sites, you only need to find a reader
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