The Thinkpad's screen is not retina and uurgh, that's not going to cut it for doing print design..

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@neauoire How'd they do print design before retina screens? 🤔

@neauoire Yeah, nobody used computers for print design between 1988 and 2012, right?

@neauoire Actually this conversation is really weird. Let me double check. You think people didn't do print design on computers until retina screens were created?

@cancel @neauoire You may find this interesting. It's suggesting everything was done by hand with glue and x-acto blades and such, then a photo was taken of the collage for the actual printing:

@dstn @neauoire yes, I used to watch my father do that as well. Foamcore boards, dry-rub transfer ... but by the 90s that was not very common

@cancel @dstn @neauoire my mom did pasteup well into the mid 90’s but only because she was so good at it and enjoyed it. it was tough to find work doing that once DTP software became so powerful. but yeah before that, x-acto knives, glue, letraset, measuring… I have a lot of memories of this stuff and have watched the evolution firsthand. We are SO spoiled today haha, but the old ways had a ton of interesting personal touch in some way. I wonder if there are documentaries on this at all.

@neauoire @cancel they did, I should get my dad to write a post on how he did layout for magazines on his 286 compaq portable in he 80’s. you had to send it to a print shop (courier a floppy) and see how it went, update your layout files, send again… etc. :)

@amatecha @neauoire compaq portable, that's pretty hardcore :)

My father was doing print design on Macs in the 80s and 90s, and in the 2000s before retina screens. And I mean full-time professionally at a company with a dedicated department for doing such things and the highest-end color proofing printers that could be bought.

@cancel @amatecha @neauoire thie conversation is causing me to experience visceral flashbacks to using framemaker on a sunos machine (and being jealous of the people who had access to the much nicer NeWS version)

@khm @amatecha @neauoire Technical manuals? I remember seeing FrameMaker when I was a child and having no understanding of wtf it was for (at the time.)

My only experience had been with QuarkXPress. On a platform with no memory protection.

@cancel @khm @neauoire yeah I used Quark XPress as well, I wanna say v4. I got really good grades on my school projects (if I did them) because I could use the DTP software from my parents’ business, all the high end fonts, nice graphics from stock photo or encyclopedia CDs and 300dpi (600?) laser-printed pages. totally unfair advantages all around haha 😅 teachers ate up Papyrus and the like hahaha

@cancel @amatecha @neauoire Technical reports on SunOS, then years later (late 2000s) I ran into it again as the main tool behind a university newspaper, but by then it was unrecognizeable.

Other tools from the old DTP days were Harvard Graphics (which had a massive clip-art library) and Publish-It! (which ran on the Apple II and us plebs could afford to own). QuarkXPress' mortal enemy was Aldus PageMaker, yet another product Adobe bought and drowned.

@khm @amatecha @neauoire Some of the old Aldus programs were great. Aldus Intellidraw was a fast/fun way to do non-CAD-but-precise technical drawings and illustrations.

There's an alternate timeline where Adobe didn't spend so many of their resources on only destroying other companies in the industry, and I want to know what it looks like.

@cancel @amatecha @neauoire I think about this a lot when people say unix is bad for the desktop -- half the damn programs people used on early Windows started out on unix systems and got dragged over because of backroom deals between old people in suits.

@khm @cancel @amatecha @neauoire And a decent fraction of them were used mostly on Unix for the majority of their operational lives (FrameMaker comes to mind here)

@cancel @neauoire yeah same, my dad worked at magazines and later at a graphic design company for years which produced print materials of all kinds and sizes, and my parents had a graphic design home business on the side (which is why we had nice Macs with large screens at home, and laser printers haha)…. but yeah his earliest work was typing out layout instructions by hand and not seeing it until like a day later. measure twice, type once, I guess? lots of interesting stories haha

@amatecha @neauoire @cancel getting flashbacks to a desktop publishing class I took in the early 00s. the feedback loop wasn't much better than this. I think it scared me off printing for a long time.

@neauoire Word of Caution from trying to upgrade my first x270's display: The display is very easy to remove and can physically be replaced without opening the laptop. BUT. You have to remove the internal battery, or you risk frying a specific fuse on the motherboard which will make it unusable

@neauoire I may or may not have forgotten there was an internal battery

@neauoire my (work) retina mbp is always plugged to a standard 1080p display. Of my eyes managed to survive screens pre-retina, I'm sure they can survive them now. I certainly have professionally done print design before retina was available

@neauoire sad thing is, even brand new ThinkPads come with 1080p displays unless you’re willing to go for an upgraded ($$$$) Intel machine. Otherwise the AMD T14s would have been a great choice as a Linux machine. :(

@neauoire you can probably upgrade your screen because most laptops use a common display connection method called eDP (embedded displayport). They come in 30 or 40 pin ribbon cables. I believe signaling is different between versions of eDP so you'll have to verify that the screen will work for your machine

@neauoire you can go up to 1080p as far as I know. This thread¹ has information about what screen you should get to be strictly compatible without any software modification. These thinkpad models have a display allowlist that can be broken² in case you want a higher quality screen. 1/2


@neauoire you can upgrade to a larger screen³ ⁴ if you are very brave and have access machining tools to cut the bezel smaller. This does require the bios mod as well. These threads⁵ ⁶ have information about panel compatibility. Additionally this thread⁷ says you can buy a modified bezel from taobao, but it's blocked in the US so I can't investigate. 2/2


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