@neauoire "But there is another implication in the limitlessness of the ideal of competition that is politically even more ominous: namely, that unlimited economic competitiveness proposes an unlimited concentration of economic power... the inescapable implication is that the class of winners will become ever smaller, the class of losers ever larger." I mean... jesus... who needs Piketty when we have midwestern farmer philosophers?

@neauoire TBF, it sounds more like he is criticizing victorious suburbs, but point taken. I believe in cities, in the way that Abbenay is described in The Disposessed: "There had to be a center". I just think ideally they would look more like the solar punk utopias than Tokyo or New York, all lifeless right-angled surfaces and tubes.

@jcmorrow I think cities just amplifies the effect described in "Our workplaces are more and more exclusively given over to production, and our dwelling places to consumption."

@neauoire Our modern ones definitely do! But also, producing and consuming *are* necessary parts of life. One part of being alive is doing work, consuming food, etc. I think it's the viewing of *all of life* through the lens of production and consumption that is wrong. You don't consume your friends, you mutually enrich each other. You don't produce art, though you might produce artifacts of it, and the two are easily confused.

@neauoire To expound on that art point: Carse nails this when describing art as "the ultimate anti-economic force", as soon as you try and use art for economics, it loses its value. Paintings can be bought and sold, but they are debatably no longer art once they enter into the economy, they become just fancy tokens.

@jcmorrow Did you read Marvelous Pursuits and When that which is unique breaks?

It talks about the commodification of craft a bit.

@neauoire I have not, but recommendations from you go to the top of the reading list 😄

@jcmorrow Yeah, I didn't think you meant cities of yore. The second half of the article tackles just that.

"The nearly intolerable irony in our dissatisfaction is that we have removed pleasure from our work in order to remove "drudgery" from our lives."

@neauoire I discovered Berry through Bill Coperthwaite (A Handmade Life). I've been going down the rabbit hole of their contemporaries: Richard Gregg, Scott Nearing, et al.

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