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Flight shame, or flygskam, is an anti-flying social movement, with the aim of reducing the environmental impact of aviation.

*checks prices of trains and other alternatives, but everything is at least 500% the price of flying*

fattigskam is more like it.

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@neauoire depends on the country; north america’s rail network used to be a shining beacon (see the hitchcock film North by Northwest) but since around nixon’s day, and some kind of incident involving amway, has been shamefully neglected for anything but cargo.

go to europe or japan and it would be weird to use anything other than the train.

@neauoire honestly though, i think it wpuld be way more constructive to have a movement to pressure politicians to reinvest in the rail network, than to shame people for their individual choices

@zens I took the train across the US from Chicago to San Francisco and the price was reasonable. Taking the train from Vancouver to Toronto is about 2k$ per person. And there are no bus options.

@neauoire sounds like canada’s got some work to do. here in nsw, for some reason, a guy who thinks he’s presiding over the replacement of rail with uber was put in charge of rail.

@zens @neauoire inside a country; yes, but many European countries are like a big city and a better comparison would be to US states. I’ve tried to take the train from Sweden to Switzerland and it’s extremely inconvenient and much much more expensive than taking a flight. Trains to Berlin are somewhat doable though.

@zens @neauoire As a European (Germany) I think I have to disagree here. While the rail infrastructure is clearly in better shape than in the U.S. of A., many if not most people still choose planes over trains and trains are always more expensive, which is the real tragedy.

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@zens @neauoire
And the main reason is that fuel prices for planes are kept artificially low. They're not taxed. If they were we could (pre-pandemic nrs) easily fund a complete renewal of the entire EU railway network.

Turnin rail networks into a "free" market in the last decades also didn't help. Night trains were cancelled all over the place (because profits, I assume)

@vanderZwan @chillja @neauoire that’s just evil; rails are a natural monopoly; privatisation makes no sense

@zens @chillja @neauoire right? Same with electricity providers. It's weird because the actual infrastructure is still handled by the local governments in both cases (the companies "rent" it from them). So I really don't get what the market part is supposed to add. I'm betting on rent-seeking.

@zens @neauoire In Europe it depends on the distance you have to cover. As a rule of thumb if you have to travel more than 500 km it may be cheaper by plane than by train

@neauoire recently moved across the country. If it was just suitcases flights would have been cheaper. But flights + freight was more expensive than uHauling it.

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