More than half of my internet browsing is done through Wayback Machine nowadays and it makes me very sad that all these websites are gone.

@neauoire It's amazing to think that there's an alternate timeline where nobody made wayback / made mass web archives, and it really is all gone.

@neauoire thanks Archive org team for being the real internet heroes!

Lots of geocites / angelfire content is gone as well afaik, unless somewhere there is a backup that I'm unaware?

@neauoire I've been saving some to my harddrive. I'm planning on mirroring a few sites.

@neauoire I put a lot of the blame on the standardization of LAMP and other complex, dynamic server-side frameworks. Static sites are way easier to keep online for decades even if your generator or editor software has bit-rotted away. We can hope that the SSG trend will help reverse the tide.

@praxeology Agreed. Though some SSG should not be called SSG. My experience with some is that I've spend more time fixing the SSG install than adding pages to my website. @neauoire

@xuv @praxeology you should pick better SSGs, their job is so simple that there shouldn't be anything there to fix.

@neauoire Yes. I know. I was introduced to the concept by Jekyll. And I don't recommend that one. But it's the one I gad to use the most. @praxeology

@neauoire @praxeology I may have to clarify, none of those static websites I needed to work with are mine, nor did I make the tech choice in the first place. But so far, I have the impression that SSGs just transfer bitrotting from server side to the generator side. It's maybe better because what's published has a longer shelf life. But for the editor, the problem is the same.

@xuv @neauoire As a _composer_ of content, unless you are editing raw HTML (which is only a very small minority of people), you will need some code to generate the output. Maintenance of the composition / templating / generator tools will be an issue no matter what.

But if you are a publisher (of any size) who just wants to keep something that has already been written online, static content actually has a chance of mid- to long-term survival. The dynamic stuff does not.

@xuv @neauoire That sounds annoying. But you have to admit, even if you never get it fixed, your existing content can still stay up for another 20+ years.

@xuv @neauoire If your site runs on PHP, python, ASP.NET or any other server-side dynamic language, it's not a question of IF but WHEN it will go down, never to return.

@neauoire more than half ?? how do you know what you are looking for is over there ?

@maxime_andre whenever I hit a 404, I go check on wayback. Whenever I can, I make local copies of these sites. For example, this morning I've rescued Brent Kerby's notes on combinatory logic which disappeared from the web in 2004

@neauoire oh yes it reminds me this mirror of joy language website : There are some dead links, i don't know why i never thought to use wayback machine...

@neauoire btw, i found this in an obscure zip file, might interest you (queue machine instead of stack machine) #uxn
(found here :

@maxime_andre Oh wow, very timely finding, that's just what I was looking for

@maxime_andre trying to make a little uxn emulator that runs on combinators

@dualhammers @neauoire it has some really nice properties when used as a search engine: notably, JavaScript stripping. if I might hypothesize a bit - that's useful to someone on a metered connection and/or slow-by-modern-WWW-standards machines

@dualhammers No, usually I have to hit a 404 to go there, but these days, it's 404s all over the place.

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