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Lithium Ion batteries are so close to changing everything dramatically. We're literally just percents away in stability and capacity to adjust our entire world.

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@peregrine Batteries also feel like a half-way salve that doesn't address the problem of actually adjusting demand. Which is not to disagree with your point for the near term. It just seems like we have a consumer perception of batteries as practically unlimited resource, when they are decidedly not. Getting better at batteries seems more in support of the status quo.

@grey for sure reducing demand is a major key. And I am very optimistic here, short if truly apocalyptic scenario I do not see average people willingly reducing up their QoL.

Luckily for us the road to electrification is possible without new battery chemistry. And new chemistries are being discovered and studied daily.

And lithium extraction and refinement is on a completely different level than hydrocarbons.

@grey and with solar + better long term stability a battery becomes an unlimited resource on human scales.

@grey sorry my current contract is a company that helps power companies treat water heaters and the like as batteries on the grid. And deal with demand spikes from renewables.

So my brain is on a track right now. And it (rightly) assumes solar and wind are (they will be soon) ubiquitous.

@peregrine I don't think the move is to push for a lower QoL rather than a different QoL ... I don't see a shiny road at this stage, but I'm hoping we can move to transitional ground sooner than later. Obviously solar and wind have to be a massive part of any transition.

Not trying to be a contrarian buzz kill. I'm just dubious of costs and messaging getting on track fast enough to make the changes we need to see. I am hopeful we'll start to see waves of change.

@grey i would love a world where people used public transport and rode their bikes and reduced the thermostat in winter by even just a few degrees. But realistically there are grown adults who’ve live in metros their entire life that haven’t ridden public transport.

I very much agree with the sentiment in this podcast megaphone.link/VMP4578391845 we should work on changing behavior but that is slow and fraught We don’t have time.

@grey That said, the younger generations seems more willing to make and accept changes in their personal life.

We just need to move the boomers who are retiring and couldn't give any less of a fuck.

@peregrine The work is hard because simple policy changes won’t work or even happen unless there is a groundswell of genuine support from broad demographics.

That includes the boomers. My perception is they give more of a fuck than is generally cast on them, but our societies have alienated the commons such that conversation is hard. Everyone’s comforts must be accounted for in some way, and it all has to be done through a justice lens.

This is why I am skeptical. It’s just very, very hard.

@grey For sure. Very much dark mountaineers situation. I'm just holding out hope with the right leaders we can mobilize and improve.

@peregrine /nod There is a lot of wait and see, which is hard with a problem of this magnitude. Learning to sit with it is a process unto itself.

@peregrine Any pointers to where I can learn more about recent changes in lithium ion batteries?

@gendor anytime a new chemistry is discovered it blows up the news. But basically batteries have been slowly improving by a few percent every year and battery management systems have helped dramatically improve lifecycle.

For instance a researcher working with tesla announced dramatic increases in longevity scribd.com/document/424878572/

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