"All-out war on climate change made sense only as long as it was winnable."
Ran across a little collapsology book in the library yesterday, which is actually a translated version of an essay published in the New Yorker that is still available online:
@rostiger :) thanks for sharing! i find it good to get reminded that other people are also accepting/embracing the idea of collapse in the near future
It is my understanding and belief that what’s being advocated, really, is to drop the personal responsibility angle – no amount of reusable straws and biodegradable cups and riding your bike to work is going to stop what’s coming, but that’s incentive to put pressures on the corporations who cause these problems and the governments who enable them, not to give up
@exquisitecorp @chirrolafupa @rostiger and that pressure hopefully doesn’t stop at getting corporations to use renewable energy (staving off the problem) but instead at responsibility for repairing the damage that’s already been done while also ensuring that they’re making the world livable for all people by whatever means necessary now that the damage has been done
i try to be a realist rather than a pessimist, but a lot of our anthropocene seems pretty worst-case-scenario. the way i escape that is precisely by giving up on larger systems and trying to think in terms of small communities and being helpful in those contexts. thinking along the lines of "there will be a collapse, it is not avoidable" ironically makes me feel less totally powerful in that way.
i just mean more of this along the lines of "our fates are decided (at least ecologically) by a handful of Men selected essentially randomly who are pretty ignorant and perversely motivated and will never face any consequences for anything, and all systems of the world are there to make them more money" and realizing that we are condemned to that until something inside of the planet snaps and taking action with that view
@xj9 @chirrolafupa @exquisitecorp @flip @rostiger at risk of coming off like the paranoiac fatalist that i actually am, when i talk about "all systems of the world are there to make them more money" this includes systems about disseminating information and informing people... not sure if you are implying an individual responsibility to remain informed but i think a lot of things are deliberately designed to prevent this.
@dogstar @xj9 @chirrolafupa @exquisitecorp @flip Yes to all of this. Keywords here are cooperative interdependence and cross generational thinking. I think stuff like self reliant eco villages are already going in that direction. Unfortunately a lot of those thoughts and ideas are somewhat confined to this here community.
@flip @exquisitecorp @chirrolafupa The way I understood the argument is that reducing CO2 emissions on a personal level are still worthwhile, because it's the right way to live anyhow. Politics should keep up advocation even if it just buys us a few more years, that's good. And it's especially important to invest into social equality and solidify democratic structures, because that will essentially determine how bad things will go once shit hits the fan.
@chirrolafupa It shook me a bit more than I like to admit, I was still under the hopeful illusion that there might be some way to prevent it.
@rostiger have you read the deep adaptation paper? i find that approach to be helpful:
@chirrolafupa The term sounds vaguely familiar, but I'm not aware of it's definition. Will read it, thanks for the pointer!
@rostiger no problem! i think/feel it's a good framework that shows that there are "non-pessmistic" ways to say and live "collapse is inevitable" :)
@chirrolafupa Hey, thanks again for the pointer to the Deep Adaptation Paper. It helped a lot! I struggled quite a bit with this topic in the past few days, but the more I read the more ideas form in my head on what to do. It has been irritatingly uplifting? I guess I'm still processing...
@rostiger i'm very glad! it's certainly difficult, but i think/feel one should at least witness it :)
for me, merveilles is the best place/community i know so far to connect along those lines/topics/feelings/thoughts .
the deep adaptation forum sounds nice but i haven't been there yet
@chirrolafupa I don‘t think this is something I can just witness, even though maybe I should. I’m still evaluating the actions that this new information suggests for me directly. In the meantime I‘m pondering how to communicate those topics to those around me outside of merveilles. I‘ll check out the forums too, thanks for the pointer again!
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