Feeling very stimulated and wondering if last thread (https://merveilles.town/@s_ol/104016278284439336) warrants some community organizing.
I am considering to start a newsletter on the topic, should there be enough interest to warrant that. If you would like to receive a sporadic newsletter on the topic, please send an email to:
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This also means that I am now looking for content for said newsletter. Please email me projects and communities within and adjacent to this problem space to the same address!
I'm also wondering if there should be a more centralized community framework around this topic, a la https://futureofcoding.org (sans the podcast). That warrants two more questions:
- Is there already a community I am unaware of that should be joined instead? I want to avoid creating "yet another..."
FoC has a lot of overlap, but doesn't necessarily share the ambition of thinning the stack.
- Are you interested in this? It would probably be a Zulip server.
@s_ol none that I know of that represent our interests.
@s_ol How would you define "this topic" you are talking about?
that will be exercise #0 ;)
"R&D of thinner, learnable, open and efficient technological stacks"?
@s_ol well, it's kind of what this instance is about.
Hm, re-reading the instance description I see what you mean, but being on here I always felt like while it's part of this the instance has a much wider range of topics. I think about it more as the "artistic use of technology" space.
Maybe I should also constrain the scope more, I don't really mean "creating a community" (which is what we have here and I really enjoy!) but a platform for more project-specific and goal-oriented discussion.
On mastodon there will always he a mix of topics because users have to make it their home, and will bring their content here with them.
@s_ol do you see something more like a list of links? or a wiki, or a forum?
@s_ol I suspect none of the existing possible media would be well-suited to your idea. Wiki, forum, etc., all have real problems. You want some sort of emerging knowledge base, that gets distilled from discussions.
The original C2 wiki aimed at that, but eventually failed on several fronts. I've been playing with something different, here's an example:
Currently that's read-only.
@neauoire @s_ol Must say that this is the first time that I have this kind of conversations online (and I'm really excited about it). So I'll say that Devine is right. This instance is a right place for starting.
I don't know too much about Mastodon, but is there a way to have groups in here? Maybe a different timeline? (I'll search now haha)
I'm 100% interested in participating! 👍
Judging just by how scattered my own thoughts and opinions on this topic are, and the variety of responses here, some structured thinking is in order ;)
I really like reading the C2C wiki archive, I would be very happy to be a part of something like that :)
@s_ol I'll read this now, thanks!
@s_ol I'll see if I can find something, rather than writing it all out from memory. It survived a remarkably long time with effectively no controls, but fell when a couple of people who had infinte amounts of time insisted on changing things against the majority wishes.
I'll be back ...
@s_ol Here's a page that highlights where it went wrong:
The lesson to learn is that there will always be people who have infinite amounts of time, and will set things on fire just to watch the world burn. You need to have a gated community, although you can (and probably must!) start with almost no controls to get the audience/community.
@ColinTheMathmo Hello! 👋
Even though I didn't know much about it, I was reading the C2 wiki last night and I was worried about the same thing (someone changing/deleting stuff for no reason at all).
Maybe a combination of tools would be nice: some place where we could talk and debate, and a static site where people could look at the premise, goals, etc.
For example: If we want to gather information in a public space, I've found Are.na very useful!
@kitsunelli Hello! 👋
Indeed ... I've had this sort of system before with a small number of colleagues. We discussed things and had an ongoing conversation, but as we found agreement we went back and tidied up the discussion, converting into "Document Mode".
I have designs for how that might work, but not the skills to implement them.
Did you see my "DiscDAG" idea?
@ColinTheMathmo Yes! I see it as Pinterest but with a twist. You can gather information as blocks (files/links) in channels (folders).
The nice twist is that every block shows the channels it has been saved in. So there's this indirect connection? with another profiles/folders.
You can also set up a collaborative channel where everyone can post something.
@s_ol I've sworn off email, but will be looking forward to seeing further discussion around this topic here on mastodon.
@s_ol I just read the entire thread and felt completely understood. We need to work towards a new way for computing itself. And I'm saying this as a designer.
Not only to analyze technical aspects, but also social, economical and political ones; to build a new ground with a clear perspective about how will this work and who are the people that will be actually benefited with this.
Merveilles is a community project aimed at the establishment of new ways of speaking, seeing and organizing information — A culture that seeks augmentation through the arts of engineering and design. A warm welcome to any like-minded people who feel these ideals resonate with them.